Comments on: Harvard Study Concludes That Banning Firearms Increases Crime and Not Just in the U.S. //defendandcarry.com/harvard-study-shocks-banning-firearms-increases-crime-not-just-in-u-s/ Everything Guns, Gear, and 2nd amendment Thu, 29 Dec 2016 21:46:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: Draz J Ekiel //defendandcarry.com/harvard-study-shocks-banning-firearms-increases-crime-not-just-in-u-s/#comment-811 Sat, 23 Jul 2016 10:44:00 +0000 //defendandcarry.com/?p=4116#comment-811 It’s a common misconception, even to the point where even police and most politicians (and ofc the public) think that guns are banned in the UK.

You are correct that ‘some’ forces want you to use a revolver which is restricted to 2 -3 shots for humane dispatch, but not all forces enforce that. I know someone with a glock semiauto, full mag capacity for humane dispatch held on section 1. I know of others who have .38 revolvers for humane dispatch with a normal capacity.
I think the above is also part of the reason that the new home office regulations are being put through government at the moment, as it stands they are home office ‘guidlines’, that forces interpret and use as a rough guide. Under the new laws, assuming they get through, they will no longer be open to interpretation and will have to be followed to the letter.

Regarding Section 7/7.3 FAC, you can either have them at your home and not shoot them, or keep them at a range and shoot them, but the range has to be locked down with only yourself and other section 7/7.3 and section 5 shooters present. Essentially section 7/7.3 need to be transported to and from the range by a person with a section 5. What you can own on those section 7/7.3 also seems to vary a lot, some people have been refused guns that others haven’t. You have to prove ‘why’ the gun is important in terms of firearms history /development etc. So unique operating mechanisms can be owned regardless of age -for example.

We can still own muzzle loading revolvers on section 1, and long barrel semi auto pistols, and long barrel revolvers such as the taurus 38/44/45 they are no longer made though, so there are limited amounts available and command high prices. I saw a .44 for sale recently for £1500.

I know it effected shotguns, but it didn’t ban them which is what the article states, they were just moved to section 1 from section 2. There is no mag limit on section 1, for SG or rim fire.

Your 1911 would can be purchased now legally as a section 7/7.3. It’s a lot of hoops to jump through really, but they are not ‘banned’. Just heavily restricted.

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By: Bill //defendandcarry.com/harvard-study-shocks-banning-firearms-increases-crime-not-just-in-u-s/#comment-810 Sat, 23 Jul 2016 09:59:00 +0000 //defendandcarry.com/?p=4116#comment-810 Wow, thanks for that. I thought when Prime Ministers John Major and Tony Blair banned all full bore and rim fire (respectively) firearms that were below 2 feet in length with a barrel of less than one foot in length that was a handgun ban! It seems that I and the 57,000 other sport pistol shooters that had our licensed handguns confiscated under threat of 10 years in jail must have been mistaken if they weren’t banned after all.
if you are a licensed large game hunter, boar or deer lets say, and you jump through the right hoops, maybe take your police authority to court, you can apply for a cartridge loading dispatch pistol which the police will insist on restricting to 2 shots. If you live near one of only what, 3 elidgeable ranges in the country (?) you may store an historic handgun in the range armoury, have it transported in armoured vehicle to the firing point where you may shoot it, clean it and have it returned to the armoury. You may not transport it or store it. Those are the only 2 ways that I am aware of for the public to shoot a licensed, cartridge loading handgun in England, Scotland and Wales.
You may own licensed muzzle loading handguns of any size or long barrelled rim fire semi auto pistols or full bore revolvers that are over 2 feet long with a barrel over 12 inches long for sport shooting if your police area agrees to issue permission but nobody in your club, even if they have an identical firearm on their license can shoot yours.
As far as sport competition shooting goes, that is a ban. 57,000 of us had our property confiscated and our hobby ruined to facilitate a cover up, we did not imagine it.
Also, the 1987 ban on semi auto rifles did affect semi auto shotguns, having been previously unrestricted they were all to be altered to a maximum 3 shot capacity or held on a different kind of license.
if we can still own some handguns, how do I go about getting my 1911 back? Or any of my Smith and Wessons? I’d be delighted to know.

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By: Draz J Ekiel //defendandcarry.com/harvard-study-shocks-banning-firearms-increases-crime-not-just-in-u-s/#comment-809 Thu, 21 Jul 2016 05:48:00 +0000 //defendandcarry.com/?p=4116#comment-809 No3 is due to the fact that most gun owners in the UK live in the countryside, which are nowhere near as populated as the cities, so of course there is not as much violent crime in high gun ownership areas.

No5 and no10 are not correct either. The reason the UK appears to have a higher violent crime rate is due to the English law on what constitutes a violent crime, if you only include the same types of crime that the US classes as violent then the UK is nowhere near as far up the list. For example, if someone pushes another person, and that person presses charges, that’s considered and act of violence in mainland UK. Even shouting at someone in an intimidating manner is classed as an act of violence. The way sex crimes are classified in the UK is also totally different to how it’s classified in the US.

In short; If you only count the same few crime types(4 ish if I recall correctly) that the US uses for these statistics, and the UK is suddenly one of the safest instead of the worst. Number 5 and n0 10 are both essentially showing missrepresentation of data, at its finest. I’m pro gun btw, but I’m also pro truth.

p.s- Gun’s were not banned in the UK. ‘Some’ guns had tighter restrictions’ placed on them. Handguns were not explicitly banned, we can still own some handguns. The only thing was ‘banned’ for the majority of the people was semiautomatic centerfire rifles(Semi automatic rimfire and shotguns were not effected), and within a short while engineers came up with a work around, that to this day(Over 20 years later) still hasn’t been banned – google lever release system and MARS action. Both perfectly legal in the UK.

The only people who can’t own guns on mainland UK are people who have been to prison for more than 3 years, fairly recently changed from 5+ years, and people with mental health issues, or who have records for being violent.

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By: Shadeburst //defendandcarry.com/harvard-study-shocks-banning-firearms-increases-crime-not-just-in-u-s/#comment-808 Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:55:00 +0000 //defendandcarry.com/?p=4116#comment-808 Regrettably in 1945 when the USAAF had run out of military targets it turned to carpet-bombing of cities. Up to then it had maintained a squeaky-clean record of hitting military targets with precision and the absolute minimum of collateral damage.

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By: Michael Shamel Sr. //defendandcarry.com/harvard-study-shocks-banning-firearms-increases-crime-not-just-in-u-s/#comment-806 Mon, 18 Jul 2016 05:00:00 +0000 //defendandcarry.com/?p=4116#comment-806 You`re an IDIOT.

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By: plusaf //defendandcarry.com/harvard-study-shocks-banning-firearms-increases-crime-not-just-in-u-s/#comment-804 Sun, 17 Jul 2016 21:41:00 +0000 //defendandcarry.com/?p=4116#comment-804 And don’t forget the carpet-bombings of Germany in WWII, either, in which LOTS of “innocent civilians” were killed…

Comparing wartime events with civilian ‘mass killings’ during what we can loosely call ‘peacetime’ within a country BY ‘fellow countrymen’ is a really lousy comparison altogether.

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By: Daniel E. Warfield //defendandcarry.com/harvard-study-shocks-banning-firearms-increases-crime-not-just-in-u-s/#comment-803 Sat, 16 Jul 2016 16:30:00 +0000 //defendandcarry.com/?p=4116#comment-803 Don’t get started on the atomic bomb. All the most reputable historians of WW2 all agree that the atomic bomb was the most peaceful way to force Japan into a checkmate and surrender. Invading the Japanese homeland would have resulted in many thousands of more civilian casualties. During the Japanese Imperialist era, it was extremely uncommon for Japanese soldiers to surrender; a Japanese soldier would sooner commit suicide than surrender. Further, the Japanese populous would have defended the homeland to the death in the event of an invasion. The atomic bomb was absolutely necessary.

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By: Daniel E. Warfield //defendandcarry.com/harvard-study-shocks-banning-firearms-increases-crime-not-just-in-u-s/#comment-802 Sat, 16 Jul 2016 16:23:00 +0000 //defendandcarry.com/?p=4116#comment-802 The Japanese people were not innocent, they supported an imperialist government that was bent of overthrowing the world. If they were truly good people, they would have revolted against their own government to stop the mass killings of truly innocent civilians in China and the Pacific.

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By: Way To Go Maine! Concealed Carrying And Gun Sales Spike After New Bill //defendandcarry.com/harvard-study-shocks-banning-firearms-increases-crime-not-just-in-u-s/#comment-661 Tue, 20 Oct 2015 22:06:18 +0000 //defendandcarry.com/?p=4116#comment-661 […] need to understand, the stigma that guns are bad and cause crime is an outright lie. A study by the Harvard Journal of Law actually concluded that a high number of guns in an area actually reduces crime. Take for instance […]

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